Mel Gibson Could Be Dragged To Court Over Threat To Kill Ex: Source (EXCLUSIVE)

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The Los Angeles judge who negotiated peace between Mel Gibson and ex-girlfriend Oksana Grigorieva could drag the Oscar-winning actor/director back to court to revise custody of their two-year-old daughter, Lucia, in the wake of his latest alleged death threats.

Whilst judge Peter D. Lichtman declared an end to the pair's custody battle on August 31, last year, with a statement that he had provided "complete closure of this matter," the Superior Court court still has "ongoing supervision of the case to see that its ruling is followed precisely," a source told Celebuzz.

The insider told Celebuzz: "If, as it appears in this case, there has been some kind of breach of the courts rulings, it's possible for further judicial review."

"This is even more complicated because GIbson is on three years probation for criminal charges," the source, who spoke to Celebuzz on the condition of anonymity, said.

"Any violation of his probation could earn him another day in court."

According to Hollywood screenwriter Joe Eszterhas, Gibson told him that he wanted to stab Russian-born Grigorieva while having sex with her. Eszterhas claimed in a letter leaked online that Gibson, 56, explicitly said, "'I'm going to kill her! I'm going to have her killed!'"

While Gibson has not specifically addressed the Grigorieva allegations, he's labelled Eszterhas's observations as "utter fabrications."

Here are a few excerpts of Eszterhas letter to Gibson, first obtained by TheWrap.com -- and we warn some language may be offensive:

"You were raving at Oksana even after you'd reached a custody agreement over Luci... And then you were even more explicit about your threat: 'I'm going to kill her! I'm going to have her killed!' You said you'd become friends with two FBI agents (or former FBI agents) and they were going to help you kill her."

"You kept raging about your ex-girlfriend, Oksana Grigorieva, Luci's mother, whom you always referred to as 'that c***' and 'that f***ing b****.' You acted out for me the scene where you hit her. But you said you'd 'just slapped her a little bit.' After you slapped her, you said, she grabbed Luci and went running 'hysterically' down the hillside behind your house in the pitch dark."

“’I want that c*** gone!’ you screamed. ‘Gone! Gone! Gone! I will not share Luci with her!’ And: ‘I’m going to get rid of her. No one will ever know! I’m not going to live this way the rest of my life! She’s poisoning Luci against me! She is evil! They worship the devil where she came from. She’s going to disappear! Gone!’”

Under Gibson and Grigorieva's fragile agreement, the pair has been sharing custody of Lucia on an equal basis. Grigorieva also received $750,000 to be spread over three payments.

In March 2011, the Lethal Weapon star pleaded no contest to a misdemeanor charge of beating Grigorieva and was sentenced to 36 months probation, as well as domestic violence and mental health counseling.

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  • Sky
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  • Cranberry
    Cranberry

    Then he goes on calling Mel Gibson for a hitler, while begging Mel to let him do the script almost in the same sentence (!) ... You can clearly see a guy that really want that job..NOT. Scuse me but who is craze and unbalanced, and out of touch with the real world here? Mel or that Joe? Joe's letter: "Dear employer and movie director and productor, you arer a mentaly ill american hitler that I hate more than all, and that I just spend 9 pages agravating, and whos reputation I intend to destroy. I want to be your script writer, I really mean it, you know what it mean for ME ME ME, so do the decent "thing", the one I obvioulsy never could do for you nor anybody else, and let me get it made... (I know I had 2 years to do it, and didnt do a damn thing while I was paid for it, but damn what about the time I spend thinking about it before I met you, and after I signed the contract, while watching TV huh? I wasn't paid then, so that should count as research. Beside do you know how boring it is in Cleveland? I have to watch me some TV ya know, I aint so selfabsorbed and out of touch with the world as you are, that I will miss american idol.) With load of hate and bad karma, Joe Bozo" - Aouch! ________________________________ Mel's answer: " Dear Joe, remember to take your pills, you know how it ended in Costa Rica, so dont blow it again this time." See ya in court, or at your usual Cleveland's-best cookoos nest, Mel Gibson" Joe needs medication and some class in human relation, and on how to write a job application. There is alot of unemployed people in the US that look for a decent job, and a lot of script writers out of work, who I am sure Mel Gibson will have no problem to get. The end of the letter, where joe describes Lucia, who was less than 2 years old, alledgedly slapping Mel Gibson on the face, and saying "I love you dady, I am sorry", is in fact taken/stolen from a hatefull comment to an article about the custody case, that was posted on the internet a while back. The comment was making laugh at Mel Gibson, and describing an imaginary scenario with some pay back from the baby girl when she will be older, to show the bad influence he had on his kids, and was refering to when he slapped oksana and afterward said I love you and apologised to her in his text messages. Several things in that letter sounded familiar and looked like things I had already seen and read somewhere else, and that one is one of them. So now you know what joe's inspiration sources are... and they are not taken from reality. If you read that letter well, you can see his trics. Just supress the interruptions and distractions he inserted in it, like Joe's selfpity hemorragia, his outbursts of selfserving table, and bad excuses, and you have the facts clearly stated in front of you. - Try for instance to found the part where Mel Gibson came back to apologise to joe. Its Nowhere. - Or where they are together after that nigth. Its Nowhere. Mel Gibson left rigth after joe had confessed that he hadn't do a damn and hadn't even came with a draft of a script or something. Mel didnt came back the day after, nor any day after, nor at all, but we know from joe, before he said that, that joe and his wife and son stayed 2 more nights at Mel Gibson's home, meaning 3 more days, after Mel had left. (- ! -) And that is very disturbing both as a moral and ethical issue, but also for the credibility of joe's story and his alledged reason to record Mel Gibson. He told us that: - he recorded Mel Gibson because he was feeling frightened, at a time when we know that he actually had no reason to be so, - and that he was scared that night because of Mel Gibson, who in fact wasn't even there, - and that he didn't left because he alledgedly couldn't, due to lack of helicopter. But joe left 3 days later without problems, and Mel Gibson had not returned. So what was the difference? He bought an helicopter in between? I doubt so. He just lie. The truth is that he recorded Mel Gibson with criminal intent to blackmail him and the rest are fabricated bad excuses. Its call extortion. Wether using emotional pressure, media pressure, for career advances or financial advantages, its extortion. It mean that joe and his wife and son stayed inside Mel Gibson's house for 3 more days without Mel Gibson even being there!! and they didnt even bother to found out what had happened to him, nor to pack their bags and leave. Thats what anyone else will normally do, if you were invited at your employer's home but had failed to deliver a work that your stay was in worse ment to be about, and had a dispute because of that with your host and employer, at his house, and he left the site angry at you. You will not stay in his home while he was gone. Nobody do that. But thats what Joe did! Joe and his family stayed there, enjoying Mel's ressort and hospitality and beach, until the end of the time they had originaly planed to stay at the place. Therefor joe try to delude us into thinking that he was so upset that he changed his travelling plans.. - Really? Meaning what? That he didn't ALSO went into Mel Gibson's home in Malibu after having spend a whole week at Mel Gibson's ressort in Guanacaste, including 3 days in the abscence of their host? Who does he think he is fooling here??! What on earth were they thinking about?! And in worse he complain about it to the whole world! What a cry baby and gross man! Sounds to me like he know he did so very wrong, and is trying to pass as a marthyr for his own good conscience, as if making the public opinion or a naiv journalist believe his fake story was going to redeem what he did and change the reality of the situation. So instead to apologise to Mel Gibson for what he did, he makes things much worse for him and expect us to pity him and take his side. Well he almost succeeded at it, didn't he? Text circonvolution can still fool some. People are even waiting for some exotic tapes to surface, so they can delight themselves into unreflected criticism, and all journalists commenting on that letter, and almost half of the readers and commenters, stayed at the letter's first impression of a tourmented craze Mel Gibson, (well helped by the journalist's own article stating it) and a poor oh poor joe trapped in the jungle with a monster full of rage and guns, overhearing the mad man's outbursts. Totaly unexpected, and unrelated to joe, of course. When in fact Joe Eszterhas was the cathalysator of that anger, and his action and dishonnesty was the reason why Mel Gibson lost temper, and we dont even know what joe himself actualy said before that feud begin and while it happened, nor what Joe did that evening. But we do know why Mel was angry, and feeling betrailed, and that he left the place and didn't returned, while joe and co. kept enjoying their dinner and Mel Gibson's wine and beach, for the rest of the week, (!) undisturbed by the abscence of their host (!). If you begin to tell the true story, all the sudden mister Joe looks like a very unsympathic and unresponsible person, who is bad mannered and behave like an abusive person, very different of the person he tried to make us beleive he is and tried to sell us. We can suddendly see an immature person, both personaly and professionaly, who only think about himself and how he feels. While Mel Gibson appear as a very generous man, hospitable and very tolerant, who accepted delays after delays, and who in worse excuse himslef when he dont have to, and who is too good to others for his own good. It turns the tables, and give us a more balanced view of what really happened. Thats also why Mel Gibson said that MOST of what Joe said was untrue, but not all. The truth is there, injected with lies, but if you put the puzzle together, all jigsaw match and you get a pretty good picture of what the facts really are. Its the way joe say it and present it that make that letter faulse. The way joe turned around the facts because he is unresponsible and cant accept his mistakes and aknowledge his wrong doings, so he blame the other. Its like making Mel Gibson pay the bill twice. To have his project be delayed that much, and have to found a new script writer, make new meetings, reexplain the same stuffs, and wait again for a new script, is hard enough, both effortwise, time wise, psychologicaly and financialy, but to on top of that have to be publicly exposed to so much unjustified humiliations and libels and defamations, in worse by the same man, who by doing that jeopardise the movie even more than he already had by his delays and waist of time, is too much. Someone should give a lesson to that joe. Like publishing this letter I made.

  • Cranberry
    Cranberry

    I have also asked myself HOW COULD HIS SON NICK HAVE RECORDED MEL GIBSON'S OUTBURSTS ON HIS IPOD, SINCE MEL GIBSON WAS THE WHOLE TIME IN ANOTHER ROOM IN ANOTHER FLOOR AND PART OF THE HOUSE WHEN HE WAS ANGRY?? IF NICK WAS AT THE TABLE WITH HIS DAD JOE THE WHOLE TIME, SO HOW COULD HIS SON TAPE ANYTHING WITHOUT HIS DAD JOE NOTICING IT? AND HOW IS IT POSSIBLE TO RECORD SOMEONE HAVING A FEUD IN A NOTHER ROOM FAR AWAY, AND IN THE BASEMENT, WITH AN IPOD? YOU CANT HEAR WHAT IS SAID LIKE THAT, YOU WILL NEED SPECIAL SPION EQUIPEMENT TO CAN HEAR ANYTHING. I DONT BUY JOE'S STORY. JOE WAS HAVING A FEUD WITH MEL GIBSON IN THAT BASEMENT BILLBOARD ROOM, ONE TO ONE, AND JOE WENT OUT OF CONTROL. MEL'S 2 FRIENDS RUSHED TO HELP MEL GIBSON, JOE WAS ANGRY AT MEL BECAUSE MEL CRITISICED HIM, THEN MEL LEFT THE HOUSE AND WENT TO SLEEP ELSEWHERE. MAYBE EVEN LEFT COSTA RICA AND WENT BACK TO MALIBU. Joe's son must have went downstairs to listen to what his dad was doing, recording it from behind the door. There is no other way he could have recorded anything if a recording was done by his son. Notice how joe therafter pretend that he changed his travel plans and wanted to go home.. and not to Mel's home in Malibu. Scuse me, but at this time, 3 days after the argument, Mel Gibson had left since long, he was probably already in Malibu, and certainly not wanting to see them there too! It is Mel Gibson who left his Costa Rica home, not joe, and Mel didnt came back at all. No, Mel Gibson didnt gave joe any excuse, and didnt send any excuse note, its a lie. Mel Gibson realised after some days that the trip was for nothing, as joe had not written a line, and it wasn't the first time that Mel had meetings with joe about that script draft, and that joe delayed it, and joe delayed it again, but this time was specialy rude and gross, because Mel had planed that trip to work over the script, but joe had came with nothing again. So Mel Gibson got angry and left the place and didnt came back. He had more important things to do, specialy at that time. Joe stayed, from his own word, 3 more days (!) in Mel Gibson's estate in Costa Rica, while Mel Gibson was away, only then they went home to Cleveland. So joe didnt gave a damn that Mel had left because of him, he just squated Mel's home for the rest of the week! Doesn't sounds to me like the actions of someone fearing for his life and his kids, and wife's life huh! Nor the act of someone with a normal behaviour pattern. Sure he didnt go to Malibu! Mel Gibson didnt wanted to see him there! What a lier this guy is! See how he twisted the facts? I think Mel had some bad words with joe, and said he was leaving and wont come back, and they became unfriend that day. Joe also jump weirdly in his letter from that part, to february 5. He dont say what he did in Mel Gibson's home for so long, after Mel Gibson had left the premices, nor if he called him, and it doesn't hang together. Then he suddendly speak of Mel Gibson being a danger to others and that he might kill John Lennon (!) or Walter Cornkite (!) who are both dead since a long time! Is joe disranged? How does joe know that Mel Gibson lives an isolate life and dont read newspapers nor magasine nor watch TV? Well educated peole dont watch TV when they have guests, and sure they can watch a movie together with their guests! Whats wrong about that? What movies does he think that Martin Scorcese, or James Cameron, or Steven Spielberg, or Arnold Schweitzneger watch with their guests? About his allegations that Mel Gibson dont go out, whatch that: tmz.com/person/more-stories/mel-gibson/3/ tmz.com/person/more-stories/mel-gibson/6/ Beside that, Mel has other things to do, specialy for the past 2 years, than fooling around. It will have been irresponsible of him, as its obvious that living in Malibu and being Mel Gibson going out like a civilian can or like semi unknown person like joe does, is excluded, as he cant go out without being photographed all the time by paparazi. Joe lies deliberatly. To do a caracter assasination on Mel Gibson but also to hurt him personaly. He should know that Mel Gibson often goes out to dine and to night clubs, as heavily reported in medias in the past 2 years. Unless joe has been living like an hermite in Cleveland, and dont know what is going on in LA, nor in the media. So who doesn't read newspapers and magasins, and dont keep himself informed? He raised the critic, he should be able to get the ball back. Unless joe is irresponsible enough to make such a critic without even knowing the facts. Because if he did, he will know that Mel Gibson is very much in contact with the world, but instead to only go to pubs, Mel Gibson also does archeology, work actively for the protection of the rain forest and of the Indonesian forest, and of mayan culture (is chairman and CEO of those organisations), work activly with recycling ressources, and work actively with Mending Kids International, an organisation he founded with his wife Robyn 18 years ago, and who perform free surgery for childrens of poor families with chronical deseases and handicaps, all over the world, and that includes Israel. Mel also had his agenda well filled with all the recent law cases he had to close, for both the custody case, the lawsuites, and the divorce from his beloved wife, in all 2011. Thats what must have preoccupied Mel Gibson in the middle of December, and not a picture of him. In that regard it is important to remmember that Mel Gibson was dealing with other serious matter than Joe's script, as he was negotiating the financial settlement of his divorce with his wife Robyn Gibson, (the most expensive divorce ever) and the finalisation of this divorce, during all December 2011, who was first finalised on December 23, 2011, right before christmas, and rigth after joe's trip to Costa Rica btw. So Mel Gibson had no time to waist in Costa Rica with some bozo who had came uniquely to abuse of him. tmz.com/person/more-stories/mel-gibson/2/ All while Mel Gibson had all August, September, October and November filled up with the last "details" of the custody case with oksana, which is also why he didnt had time to write that script himself, but paid joe to do it... In vain, as we now know it. Mel will have been better off waiting to can do it himself. That will have spared him all the stress and worries and all this hatress. More recent activities, this year, he is taking care of the promotion and distribution of his movie, and meetings with Donner for a Lethal Weapon 5, and still The Maccabee who was supposed to resume shooting this year. I dont understand what that joe problem is about. He goes out maybe? He is certainly less busy than Mel Gibson, and has less things and people to take care of. He lives in an isolated place in Cleveland, certainly more isolated than Mel Gibson. And after what he just did, and did in the past, we understand better why. Mel Gibson is the person the most in touch with reality in Hollywood, and the most open to others. I dont read newspapers nor magasin either, and why should I? We have the internet to get informed. I found the following sentence in joe's letter to Mel Gibson, very funny: "You are very selfabsorbed in a town where selfabsorption is usual" Duh! So what he mean to say is that Mel Gibson is a usual guy, right? Bahaha!

  • Cranberry
    Cranberry

    - Something very important is then told in that letter that everybody seems to have avoided to see, because of the very confusing and circonvoluted way Joe is telling the story, but also because Joe tries all he can to avoid saying it. Notice what occured after the billboard feud: Mel Gibson left and didnt came back. He drove away and didnt came back. He went somewhere else, maybe to a hotel near by, or back to Malibu.. So what is that story that they were scared? How could they be scared and of what? How could they be scared of Mel Gibson when Mel had left the scene and never came back? Mel Gibson wasn't in the house at all at that point, and didnt came back that night, nor the following day, so Joe is a huge lier. Notice how Naomi, Joe's wife, was upset when they got back to the guest's house, who are far away from the main house. At that point Mel was long gone, since hours, since they all ate after Mel had left with his car. So it couldnt be Mle that the wify was suddendly upset about. Maybe Joe had a fight with his wife about something Joe had done, but Joe turns it around as if it was Mel Gibson who was the source of her worries.. As for the son who locked himself in his bedroom, why didnt he went in his parent's bedroom, if he was so scared? Or why didn't his dad came to be with him? It makes no sense to me. Maybe the son was afraid of his dad, maybe Joe was drunk and unbalanced and the son, who know how his dad can get when he is drunk, barricaded himself from his dad, and not from fear of Mel Gibson, who wasnt even there. Joe present the whole thing á la oksana scam trick, by showing himself like if he was some little vulnerable scared woman, in fear for his life, and like his son never heard a man get angry (with Joe as father, thats not possible) and like his wife was the type to fall into tears when hearing people having a verbal fight 50 meters away.. Scuse me but she had many of those with Joe, so its not possible, and lets hope she and joe never go to a hotel or live in a flat in a building. Joe came empty handed at Mel Gibson's resort in Costa Rica, where him and his wife and son had already stayed for 3 days having fun, before he had a figth with Mel about the script that he didn't even wrote a page or a draft of, and Mel was so disapointed and angry that he left the house, and went to sleep at a hotel near by. Joe stayed and ate with his wife and son, and the 3 other guests, and drank a lot of wine too, and didnt care at all about Mel Gibson, and naomi his wife had a fight about Joe's attitude later on, when they went to their guest house. His son Nick get scared by it, and angry at his parents, and closed himself in his bedroom. Mel Gibson didnt came back that night, nor the following day, he just send a note to them the following afternoon, but didnt came himself, say joe, which I doubt very much. I dont think Mel send any excuse note, its a fake. So for me to see Mel Gibson had decided to cut contacts with Joe, after seeing what a treator and what a disapointement he was. As for the letter I dont beleive it, because Mel Gibson could have written that letter of excuse long before december, when they were at his home in Malibu. Its worth to notice that their relationship was ice cold after December 2011, and I doubt that its because of Mel realising he was getting old, if we were to follow joe's logic.... Mel didn't even contacted him about the script in March, and it must be because Mel knew that Joe's script will be bad as it was written at the last minute. That note that Joe quote in his letter, has no date on it, and it dont mention Joe's son nor wife, which is weird if it was about that event in Costa Rica. So I dont beleive joe. Something is wrong in that note cause it sounds like a txt msg that Mel Gibson send to oksana in 2010, and who was published on TMZ as court document in September 2010. It doesnt sound like something Mel Gibson will write to a man. The puss filled anger sentence was published on TMZ in 2010, as a texct message send by Mel to oksana, so Joe has it from it. I am sure that he made it up. Why will Mel say "to the one I love" or "my love ones" in a note to Joe? Love ones are family, wife or gf, childrens, and not an aquaintance like Joe the script writer. Its taken from a message/email that Mel had written to oksana long ago, in early 2010, and that joe saw, maybe in Mel Gibson's stuff, or on TMZ as pdf document, and reused in this letter as if it was adressed to him, as alibi and prove, since this letter was ment for the media and not for Mel Gibson.

  • Cranberry
    Cranberry

    About Oksana grabing Lucia and running in the dark after Mel had slapped her, scuse me but oksana grabed Lucia after Mel had told her to leave his house, in January 06, 2010, and ran out in the garden in the dark, bare footed, as can be read in the police testimony of oksana, dated of September 2010, and then she ran back inside the home, ran upstairs, went inside her son Alex's bedroom, jumped on his bed, and was jumping while shaking the then 2 months old premature Lucia, and Mel came, and tried to stop her from shaking the baby, Mel couldnt get Lucia out of oksana's arms, and thats why he slaped oksana to make her stop jumping and shaking the baby. Oksana stopped, and that was it. So oksana didnt grab the baby and ran outside after Mel Gibson had slaped her, thats a lie, but one can ask why Joe inserted that totaly unrelated faulse incident, right there in his ment-to-media-letter.. What a friend, that enjoy to hurt you.

  • Cranberry
    Cranberry

    I also noticed that each time Mel Gibson is said to be angry in that letter, he always have the discretion to go out of the house to vent out, out of consideration for his guests, and to dont inconvenient them. If Mel was mad or unbalanced, as joe wish to present it, he wont care. And most people who blow a fuse usualy dont give a damn on who can hear them or is disturbed by them. So it prove that joe's description of it is out of line, since Mel Gibson didn't get angry nor screamed in front of the guests, he went out to vent out, and even left the place with his car, so what is Joe's problem? If you read that letter carefully, and jump his well placed distracting side talks, and excuses and just focus chronologicaly on the events, and on what concretely occured in a very pragmatic and objectiv way, you can see that its not at all as Joe tries to make it sounds like. Note how Joe take time to describe that you can only get out by helicopter! What a lie! And what about the staff? They come with an helicopter too?? There is a serie of hotel resorts less than 100 meters from Mel Gibson's estate in Guanacaste, Costa Rica, right at Mel Gibson's Guanacaste's beach, who is inside Mel's resort. Exactly 15 meters from that beach, and giving in to it, you have several hotels and luxus hotels and cabines. There is about 10 hotels resorts right there. So what is Joe talking about, filling people, readers, with lies? Mel Gibson know its not true, and people living there as well, the alone people he could fool were journalists and readers who had never been to Costa Rica or to Guanascaste, and didnt knew about those hotels near by. They are 15 minutes walk from Mel Gibson's house. You can see those hotels on youtube search for "Guanacaste", and "Mel Gibson's beach", that beach has a specific name, and those hotels are also promoted on a website for Guanacaste. You should definitvly do some research here and print a correction on The Wrap about the discrepencies in Joe's letter as there is so many. "Kata said that she had never seen you behave this way", so the rage of Mel Gibson was caused by Joe who acted irresponsibly, and live in the denial that he did this, and try to hide behind his family and even the house keepers.. Look how chicken that guy is. He dont take responsability for any of his wrong doings, or more like abscence of work, and what impact it had on Mel Gibson, and all the people depending on that movie. It cost money to make a movie, and you cant just be delayed like that, Mel Gibson has to follow a plan, a time table, as director and producer of that movie, he cant wait indefinitly for a script and screen play, that he needs to can chose the actors, do the castings, and so on. That too takes time. Joe knows that, so its very dishonest and hypocrite of him to pretend like if nothing, and do like if the script is like a school test or homework that you have to deliver at school, and has no real consequences but on yourself if you fail to deliver it, when so much people are depending on it, and money is involved in this. Each week of delay cost a lot, and he delayed it for months. All what he seems to be driven by in writting this letter is to wash his bloody hands on Mel Gibson, by making himself look as innocent as a lamb, the victim, who did no wrong at all, and had nothing to do with what occured, and was just a passiv witness of Mel's "out of the blue" outburst, somewhere in a room far away, when he was in fact the central cause of it, and knew very well what it was about, and that it was to be expected. I wont be surprised to hear that he actualy took his wife and kid with him to guanacaste to dont have to deal with Mel's reaction about the missing draft, so to protect himslef behind his wife and kid from having to face the music! Look at how often he put in oksana and Lucia - he dont even knwo that her name is Lucia!! after so much time with Mel Gibson. He call her luci in all the letter. Thats estonishing! He put the blame on others and on Mel Gibson, by pretending that Mel was mad at all sort of people but him, Joe. But he dont blame himslef at all, on the contrary, he excuse himself generously, like if not writting a single page, not even a draft of the script after 2 years, was A ok. Well its not, its even unheard. But not for Joe, cause he had that issue before with other producers and directors, like in 2003 and 2006.. He didnt get a job since, btw.

  • Cranberry
    Cranberry

    He also says that Mel Gibson wasn't alone with his son when they went surfing, and Mel alledgedly said to Joe's son that he wanted to fc oksana in the ass while stabing her in the back. But there was several other guests with them walking together on that beach, to go surfing, so Joe's story is not beleivable. Maybe Mel said it to someone else and Joe's son heard it, or Mel never said that and Joe is making it up, but if Mel told that to Joe's son, I have to ask who were the people with Mel Gibson and why none of them reacted to that?? Notice too how Joe elude that issue by not mentioning by name who were the people who went with Mel Gibson to surf that day, but remain alusive: "you and my son Nick "and some others" went surfing".. "you turned to Nick and said.." I am sure that the women came with, and that Nick's mother was with them too. Whats more, Joe stayed with his wife and son a whole week in Costa Rica inside Mel Gibson's home. But in his letter he only described something that happened several days after he had arrived, as he say that the incident occured several days after they had arrived, and "2 nigths before they left" Meaning 3 days before they left, And what happened during those 3 days?? He stayed inside Mel's home enjoying the luxury? If so, what on earth is he complaining about? That he couldn't stay longer?? And how the heck did Joe knew that Mel Gibson ran in the dark to a downstairs billboard room since he wasn't with Mel Gibson and since that resort in Costa Rica is huge! There is no way Joe could know what Mel Gibson was doing, nor where he was, and where he went. He is making it up. That billboard room is far away from the kitchen and dinning room. Btw the dinning room is not in the kitchen, its in another room, so I dont see how going in the dinning room with his wife and son to be close to the house staff who was in the kitchen, for his safety, can make sense. He is lying and relaying on peoples ignorance of how Mel Gibson's home in Costa Rica looks like. He also say he heard a crash from the billboard room and concluded that Mel had smashed his totem. Huh!?? How does he know that? - Is Joe psychic? Joe wasn't there, from his own sayings, so there is no way he could know what happened and where, and as 2 other men had already went after Mel, and the crash sound occured after those 2 men came after Mel, maybe its those men who did something. But Joe has no way to know what that sounds came form, or what crashed or who crashed what as he wasn't there, and that billboard is far away from the dinning room and kitchen area. To know those details Joe wil have had to be there in the room with Mel and his 2 friend and witness it. Is it what Joe is trying to hidde form us? That he was actualy there fighitng with Mel Gibson in that billardroom? If so why? What has Joe to hidde from us? Btw you can see on pics of Mel Gibson's estate in Costa Rica, who has been for sale since almost 2 years now, that the totem is there, and is not at all crashed or destroyed in any way, as those pictures are recent, made after february 2012.. I am sure that Joe has look at those pictures, and wrote up his letter based on the photos who are available to all on the internet, from several real estate agencies, as well as articles about Mel selling this Costa Rica estate and putting down the price in March, right before Joe wrote his letter.... Notice how Mel Gibson's reason to be upset suddendly switch from I look old oh why, to a rage about oksana, and then anger for not having the script, without hail nor tail to the story! That should make you rethink that letter cause it is obvious that Joe is trying to hide the fact that Mel Gibson's anger was directed to Joe and Joe alone, for not having delivered what he should have: the draft of the script. Mel: "This is agony! Why dont I have a first draft of the Maccabees? What the fuck have you been doing?" How could Mel Gibson adress Joe, from the billboardroom, when Joe was far away in another room in the house, and there was no way they could hear each others? It has to be a lie. Joe was in that billboard room with Mel, and you bet that Mel Gibson took Joe away to can discuss this missing script issue, and that Joe was shouting as well, and wasn't with the house staff Kata in the kitchen, or in the dinning room. Joe was with Mel Gibson, and they had a feud about the script. Joe need to get a grip and stop trying to look so innocent here. Mel: "You are getting paid, I am not!" "So hurry the fuck up and give me my first draft!" Then Joe said in his letter, like an excuse, and in parantheses: "(I had told you that you will have the first draft of my script on february 15th. You got it on February 28th, 13 days late,.." and then he goes on excusing himself again "after nearly 2 years of work,only 5 months after we made the deal with warner bros." So in fact the sudden rage of Mel Gibson was caused by Joe annoncing to Mel that he didn't have written a thing yet, and had came to Costa Rica empty handed, not only getting paid for nothing for 15 months, but also abusing of Mel Gibson's generosity and hospitality. But Joe turns it around to his advantage, and make it looks like Mel is the bad guy and a monster while Joe is the sweet innocent lamb and a victim. A victim of what? Of spying his host's conversation with someone else in another room, in another part of the estate, and doing eavesdropping on Mel and his other guests, and then complaining of what he heard while spying on them??! Wow! Of witnessing from afar Mel getting mad at some picture of himself and screaming all alone, having a solo-feud with himself somewhere in a room in another part of the house, and in the basement, then leaving the place in his car? Then what did Joe witnessed exactly THAT HE DIDNT HAD TO IF HE HAD GOOD MANNERS TO DONT SPY ON HIS HOST'S PRIVATE CONVERSATION WITH SOMEONE ELSE IN ANOTHER PART of the house? Scuse me but his story doesn't add up. The real story is that Mel Gibson and Joe were together and talking, and Joe said he didn't had a draft, and that Mel will have to wait until February 15 before he could see any draft of a script from Joe. Mel must have said "WHAT!!??" No surprise that Mel was angry at him. He was paying him since months, and Joe must have carefully hide the fact that he didn't had done a thing yet. Joe: "I didnt wrote a thing yet, I need some more time" Mel: "[AGAIN!!?] This is agony! Why dont I have a first draft of the Maccabees? What the fuck have you been doing? You are getting paid, I am not! So hurry the fuck up and give me my first draft!" Joe also insist that his son Nick heard it. Why? Was joe ashame that his son heard that his dad had not worked at all, and I am sure that his son also knew that it wasn't because his dad Joe was doing research, but because he just didnt do a shit. But there is another reason why Joe seems to want to insist that his son heard it and his wife.. and thats because they couldn't hear anything at all from the dinning room, and ditto his son Nick could never have taped that conversation from the dinning room! Its bollock! It is Joe who recorded it, as he was in the billboard room with Mel Gibson, and that recording must also include Joe's own outburts, as well as the voice of the 2 men who came to protect Mel Gibson. What happened there wasn't pretty, and wasnt coming from Mel Gibson. Joe was pissed off and didnt like to be told the rules, and that Mel hadn't invited him there to take free vacations. You can be sure that Joe then said lets go eat now, my wife is waiting, which must have offended Mel Gibson, who decided to simply leave, and Joe and Mel went back up together, and thats why Mel said "Who wants to eat?! Lets eat!!" and was of course angry. He must have felt abused and that his kindness was simply being abused.

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    The incident he describe in Costa Rica occured during only a part of one evening out of 7 days there. What about all the previous and following days? What happened? He dont say a word about it, except to say that he didnt work on the script with Mel Gibson. Why is that? And was Mel Gibson even there after that feud? The letter answer it: No, Mel never came back, after he left the resort that evening. So it is Mel Gibson who left his own home, and Joe stayed. Why? For the simple reason that there was no script. Joe didnt came with any script, and I dont know what Joe expected, but Mel Gibson wasn't going to write for Joe the script he had paid him to write! How could joe be scared and pretend to be so, when he remained in Mel Gibson's Costa Rica home for 3 more days? It is clearly stated in Joe's letter, as well as in Mel Gibson's answer to it, that Joe had not written a single line of the script when he came to see Mel Gibson in Guanacaste. Have a look at the letter from Joe to Mel Gibson. That letter start with this sentence: "Mel, I sent you the first draft of my script on february 28" FIRST DRAFT, meaning that there was nothing before then, or he will have written "the final draft or the script", or "the corrected draft of my script". First draft means that it was Joe Erszterhas first and alone writting of the Maccabbe script. Its not the alone part of the letter where Joe Eszterhas said that he hadn't wrote a script yet, but we will come back to that later. He also says that he send that script to many people, which is forbidden when you already have a contract about a script with the director, the producer, and the studio. Its at the one you have a contract with to receive it and look at it, and you know how it is in the industry, they are very secretive on the contain of a new project, beside the subject and who will direct it. Specialy at this stage of the movie making. And specialy here when another studio, script writer, and producer Bruce Nash are planing to make almost the same movie at the same time. So when he finaly wrote something, he also send it to many people at the same time. I would like to know why he did that and if he also send a copy of it to Producer Bruce Nash.. He also mention there that he had already received an answer from Warner Bros who told him they didn't like his script, so he knew already there that his script was rejected, and it could be why he send it to many people, but he dont say so of course.

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    Or even could all 5, producer Bruce Nash, writer Scott Abbott, Rabbi Heir, Foxman, and Joe Eszterhas, be together in this, as they each have their reason for doing it, and each gain something in it? - Heir and Foxman get Mel Gibson out from making a jewish movie, so that they can bash Mel Gibson some more, and still pretend that he is an antisemite and use him as prove that there is antisemitisme in USA for ever and a day, as he is such an easy target, and get the jewish producer and script writer to make it instead. - Producer Bruce Nash and writer Scott Abbott get their movie done before Mel Gibson, and eliminate the dangerous competition of Mel Gibson, who is much better at movie making than Bruce Nash is, so his movie has a chance of making money. - Joe Eszterhas get a deal with producer Bruce Nash and give him the script that he was paid by Mel Gibson to make, but give a good script to Bruce Nash instead, and he get an acces card in Hollywood and warranty job as script writer, thanks to Foxman's and Heir's connections and good word. It sounds very plausible and right the alley of the movie industry! Those 2, Heir and Foxman, were also back at attaking Mel's project recently, as soon as this letter surfaced on the Wrap, by again forbiding studios from letting Mel do that movie. Isnt it weird? Maybe there is no conspiration between those 3 or 5 men, but it looks very much like it. Joe want to make that movie but dont want Mel Gibson to do it, which is exactly the opinion of Foxman and Heir, and in the interest of Bruce Nash. So I can see an alliance being forged here, and the same goes with Nash. And Joe Eszterhas was also in contact with the ADL when he made his movies before. The alone possible problem with that theory is that Joe also ask Mel to let him do the script in his very offending letter. Which sounds very much like a bad joke from Joe, with the kind of things he call Mel in that letter, for 8 pages, and as Joe ask Mel to let him do the script anyway, right after he said to Mel that Mel is the american Hitler. Nice huh? So my conclusion is that Joe had no intention to do that script and his allegation that he want to do it is a fake. Which imply or strengenth the possibility that there is an alliance between Joe and Nash, or Joe and Foxman & Heir, or all four: Joe, Nash, Foxman, & Heir. It looks like Joe dont take responsability and throw the ball back to others than himslef in all this letter, but also on putting the blame on who dont want to do that movie. Joe dont want Mel Gibson to make that movie and accuse Mel to dont want to do it.. its like he accuse Mel Gibson of his own crimes and lacks. It has a name in psychology. Its call projections, but it also refer to a mental illness Look at how Joe blame Mel Gibson for something he did. He is the one that sabotaged that movie making by not producing even the draft of a script of that movie after 2 years, then he backstab the movie director and producer by presenting him as a dangerous lunatic a week before the official dead line, then he dont respect that deadline, and then he make a public letter presenting Mel Gibson as an antisemite, fill with anger, unbalanced, and accusing him to want to make the Macabee to convert jews to christianisme, which doesnt make any sense. The guy had nothing to present to Mel Gibson in January 5th, and resorted to blackmail. He was maybe contacted by Nick Guerra from Icon, the assistant he mention in his letter at the end, and his contacts with Mel Gibson were no longer direct, but were all done through that guy, and joe must have been told that if he didnt delivered the script he was out, and that there will be no more delay. Mel was open to see that draft, so had Joe written anything before, I am sure that he will have presented it to Mel before giving the final draft to Warner Bros. We are not talking about a script, but about the draft of it. Joe should have had one ready long ago.

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    You dont usualy get invited in any Costa Rica luxous house by your producer and movie director, so Joe was very well taken care of and priviledged. Who in his right mind will sabotage a movie he was the script writer of, as joe did in his interview from february 5, 2012? Was Joe in fact out to sabotage that movie? Or is the man clinically insane? Could this be the real reason why he tries to get Mel out of the project?: tmz.com/person/more-stories/mel-gibson/4/ tmz.com/2011/09/30/mel-gibson-judah-maccabee-bruce-nash-scott-abbott-hannukah-movie-respect-community/ "Rival Maccabee Producer Rosh to Judgment ...We're Gonna Beat Mel Gibson! Mel Gibson's Hanukkah movie is in trouble -- TMZ has learned, another company is currently making their own Judah Maccabee film ... and they're racing to beat Mel to the punch. Sources close to the production tell us, the untitled Judah film -- by producer Bruce Nash and writer Scott Abbott -- was fast-tracked once news broke that Mel was putting together his own Maccabee homage. We're told Nash believes Mel is the wrong person to helm such an important Jewish story -- telling friends, the Hanukkah tale should be told by someone who has respect for the Jewish community. As we previously reported, Mel's been developing his J Macc film for 10 years -- and sources tell us Nash has been working on his for 15. Nash doesn't have a shoot date yet, but the race is on. Shana Tova!" ______________________________________________ and what about: 9/8/2011 5:12 PM PDT BY TMZ STAFF File this under ironic and interesting ... Mel Gibson is producing a movie that triumphs the Jewish struggle against tyranny ... a movie about the greatest Jewish hero of all time. Mel's publicist Alan Nierob tells TMZ ... Mel is teaming up with screenwriter Joe Eszterhas (right) -- who wrote the Jewish-themed movies "Betrayed" and "Music Box" -- to produce a movie about Judah Maccabee, the Jewish warrior who defeated the Greek-Syrian armies in the second century B.C. Mel -- who famously directed the arguably anti-Jewish "Passion of the Christ" in 2004 -- has signed on with Warner Bros., which won out over several other studios that wanted the project. Nierob says Gibson has been working on the Maccabee project for a decade, but now it's about to become real." ______________________________________________ Joe Eszterhas twist words, and pretend that Mel Gibson wasn't interested in making it, which we know to be grotesk and faulse. But wasnt it Joe who was de facto out to hinder that movie from being made by Mel Gibson, that he hated, (his own words in his book but also in his letter), before he had even met Mel? And weren't the ADL chairman A. Foxman and rabbi Heir, chairman of the Weisenthal center, also out to hinder Mel Gibson from making that movie, as they expressed it loudly in 2011 already? And only a few weeks after it was made official that Joe E was to write the script of that movie.. tmz.com/person/more-stories/mel-gibson/2/ tmz.com/2011/09/09/jewish-groups-mel-gibson-maccabee-movie-judah-warner-bros-brothers-outrage-martin-luther-king-junior-jr/ "9/9/2011 8:08 AM PDT BY TMZ STAFF Jewish Orgs. to Warner Bros: BOOT Mel Gibson from Maccabee Movie "Two powerful Jewish organizations are lashing out against the decision to hire Mel Gibson to produce a movie about biblical Jewish hero Judah Maccabee ... TMZ has learned. The Anti-Defamation League has released a statement -- demanding Warner Bros. pull Gibson off the flick immediately ... saying, "As a hero of the Jewish people and a universal hero in the struggle for religious liberty, Judah Maccabee deserves better." The statement adds, "It would be a travesty to have the story of the Maccabees told by one who has no respect and sensitivity for other people’s religious views." TMZ also spoke with Rabbi Marvin Hier -- founder and Dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center -- who tells us putting Mel Gibson work on a movie about a Jewish hero is "like having a white supremacist portray Martin Luther King Jr." FYI -- Judah is a central figure in the story of Hanukkah ... as the brave warrior who drove enemies of Judaism out of Jerusalem." _____________________________________________ Heir and Foxman did this only a few weeks after Joe had signed his deal with Warner Bros. Could those 3, Joe E., A. Foxman, and Rabbi Heir, have teamed up and agree to hinder Mel Gibson from making that movie? Or could Joe have teamed up with movie producer Bruce Nash and writer Scott Abbott, who also plan to both make a movie about the same jewish warrior and hero, and to beat Mel Gibson at the dead line? so that Mel Gibson will be seriously delayed in the making of that movie and Mel will have to drop the project or compeete with a movie who will come out before his?

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    false mel gibson was never charged for beating oksana but for slaping her one to make her stop form shaking the 2 month old baby like a rag doll.

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