Katy Perry Talks Dating Non-Famous Guys, What She Learned From Her Russell Brand Divorce

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Katy Perry has a lot to say about love.

Aside from not needing “a dude” in her life, the singer has learned a lot from dating around — especially when she’s going out with non-famous guys. In yet another her latest Rolling Stone article, Perry opens up about her love life, explaining the difficulties in going out with random Tinder users men who are not in the spotlight and just what she learned about herself in breaking up with Russell Brand.

“I’ve done that before,” she says of dating people who aren’t celebrities. “It’s not that they have to be famous, although there’s a level of understanding when they’re in the same business, you know? They understand what it means when you’re tired from a show or the tour’s exhausting you or if an interview went wrong — they know all the ins and outs, so you can just walk in to the house with a certain face and they understand, you know? Rather than, like, having to explain everything and that takes two, three hours.”

She continues, “And what I really like is someone that understands music, because I love music. So anybody that understands the power of music, I’m usually instantly attracted to.”

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In fact, the 29-year-old says that fame isn’t something she purposefully seeks out.

“I never wanted to be famous. That’s a byproduct of what I do. Fame is truly a byproduct of the dream that I had,” she explains. “People want to be recognized for their work, but nobody wants to be famous for nothing. Fame is, I think, disgusting. And it’s really hard to separate your public life from your personal life. Useless fame is disgusting.”

“I think if you’ve got a talent or something to offer, a creative thing to offer to the world, then I think that’s beautiful. But that famous for nothing thing is kind of gross. It’s a bummer,” she says. “And, you know, I only ever just wanted to make music and be on stage and play, and offer up my perception of how I view the world, through the songs that I write. But then there’s a lot of different things that come with it, and I call them trade-offs.”

As for learning from her failed relationships? Perry, who was married for two years, says her divorce from Brand taught her a lot about herself.

“Now I know — first and foremost, self-love, and then give love away. Back then it was mostly just me giving love away with no self-love,” she says of her broken marriage. “I accepted those lessons that I needed to learn. And if you reject them, it’s your midlife crisis that comes around at 50.”