Diplo Says Madonna Created the World, Justin Bieber’s a Jerk, and Swifties Have No Life

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More Deep Thoughts With Diplo

It’s time for another edition of Deep Thoughts With Diplo.

The controversial producer, whose social media persona has nearly eclipsed his musical output, recently spoke with Rolling Stone about a variety of topics ranging from working with Justin Bieber to Madonna’s recent chart failures somehow being Kim Kardashian’s fault.

On Bieber, who worked with Diplo (and Skrillex) for “Where Are Ü Now,” Diplo had this do say (emphasis ours):

So is Justin Bieber officially cool now?
He’d been stuck in a rut where he has to do a certain thing because of his fan base. Guy from Disclosure texted me, “Yo, man, that Bieber record is amazing,” and I’m like, “Man, you would’ve never written that a year ago,” and he’s like, “I know, this is very difficult for me to text right now.” Bieber’s personal life is whatever it is — he’s a rich kid and he’s pretty much gonna have to be a jerk. But he’s respectful to me, and he has that weird gene where he’s good at everything: better at basketball than me, better at drums. For us it’s more like an art project where you utilize his voice.

TL;DR: Yeah, Bieber’s a jerk, but he’s talented and rich as f***, so deal with it.

The response likely to draw the most ire? The one in which he eviscerated Taylor Swift’s fan base (and not for the first time) in one dismissive sentence:

Any chance of squashing your beef with Taylor Swift, after your comments about her “booty”?
We squashed it! I saw her at the Grammys and she was supernice and cool. Her fans loved the beef, though. That’s all they have — they don’t have, like, real things going on. It’s still startling when these artists pay attention to my Twitter. Like, Ed Sheeran unfollowed me when I said something about Taylor — I can’t believe these people even know who I am.

“They don’t have, like, real things going on.” Absolutely iconic.

But Diplo isn’t only here for disparaging the fans of pop princesses. Of his friend and collaborator Madonna, he only has supportive things to say. (Come for the the Kim Kardashian shade, stay for his totally valid point.)

You co-produced several songs on Madonna’s new one, including her new single. What do you make of the ageism she faces?
She created the world we live in. It already sucks to be a woman in the music industry, but to be a boss woman is even harder. She sold out her tour in minutes, but no one seems to want her to succeed — “Madonna, we’ve been there, done that, now we’re about Kim Kardashian.” Her song “Ghosttown” was a guaranteed Number One for anybody else, but she didn’t get a fair shot. With “Bitch I’m Madonna,” everyone said there’s no way it will go anywhere, but I’m like, “Screw it, it represents you more than anything.”

Oh, Diplo. But hey, he knows how you perceive him.

You’re a thoughtful guy, but your social-media persona is sort of obnoxious. Why?

If I have a fight with somebody, it makes me look like a prick, but it makes the social-media numbers explode. It’s the Kanye West theory: In 2015, become a prick and just get more popular. I don’t want to be thought of like that, but also I just don’t really care. I’m doing jokes and people take it seriously, like that’s the person I am.

It’s almost refreshing to hear someone admit they’re doing it for attention. Godspeed, Diplo.

Read the troublemaker’s full interview at Rolling Stone.