“I never disputed Madonna’s success. I’m arguing with you over this concept of “queendom.’ Sorry, but no self-respecting music fan is going to go around and call artists “queens” and “princesses.” Leave it to gays like you to call each other that.”
But the concept of Queen My dear, is exactly that. What does the queen of pop mean? It means, THE QUEEN OF POPULAR CULTURE. The paramaters have already been set love, The queen of POP CULTURE. The words POP CULTURE define that. Whatever woman can be YOUR queen, that’s fine. That’s an opinion but an opinion is not LADY GAGA IS THE NEW QUEEN OF POP. Get it?
And Madonna is the Queen of pop not just based on sales Dear, but her effect in pop culture that even you, wouldn’t be able to deny. In several moments in her career she has changed the scope and direction of music.
Not to mention Madonna’s body of work is a reflection of her creativity, Not only has she changed the direction of her musical work in every step she took, but she also took real artistic risks rarely seen in the business.
To give you an example, because you seem to think I rely on sales when I call Madonna the queen of pop, Lets take Michael Jackson – He is named the king of pop due to commercial success. Madonna commercial success is timid compared to Michael’s but It’s rather flabbergasting how Madonna’s incredible artistic endeavors are overlooked, while a boring, dull act like Michael Jackson is praised and referred to as “amazing”. What’s amazing about singing the same music and performing them the same way for 20 years? Madonna, at the peak of her fame and commercial success (with the Blond Ambition) was transitioning into her Erotica Era! That is what’s called a real artistic and creative risk! Madonna has always created different ways of expressing herself while poking the society at the same time.
People mistake their personal taste with reality. Rock With You, Beat it, Thriller, Billie Jean, Bad, Smooth Criminal, Remember the Time, Black or White, You Rock My World… they are all great, but no one can deny they all sound the same (and these are songs from 1979 to 2001). In comparison, Madonna’s delivered Lucky Star, Into the Groove, Papa Don’t Preach, La Isla Bonita, Like a Prayer, Vogue, Erotica, Secret, Ray of Light, Music – you can’t get a catalog richer than that.
So hon, when you compare the “King” with the “Queen” you will see that Madonna is named “Queen” because of her ARTISTIC endeavours above all else. AND THAT HOMOPHOBE IS POP CULTURE.
I’ll even explain it to you AGAIN – The essence of Pop culture: taking a popular imagery, or a popular concept, intervening/changing it into something else – if not the purpose, the execution, if not the execution, the meaning.
And that’s what madonna is. The Queen of POP CULTURE. Understand? She does POP CULTURE BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE.
So please dear Homophobic KC, enough with the comments that suggest I work with commercial success only.
I know you may think Britney and Madonna are the greatest thing on Earth, but there are some of us who treat music as an art form, and not as some spectator sport. Calling someone queen implies they need to be respected, and respect is arbitrary and not something to be thrown around based on someone’s chart success or how much they sell. If Madonna’s music actually had any soul, I might consider calling her queen of something. If you were actually intelligent like you seem to think you are, and could carry an argument like you claim you can, you would not only see that this article is bullshit, but it’s also misogynistic.
In regards to “seeing music as an artform” – see above.
And I DO see this article as bullshit and misogynistic…. ..
“Madonna is the most successful female in MUSIC’S HISTORY. Do you comprehend that fact Homophobic KC?”
Then just leave it at that. Stop throwing around words like queen. She’s not my queen, and you can’t make her anyone else’s either, no matter how many times you want to shove it down someone’s throat.
She is the queen of pop culture as explained above LOL
Excuse me? Do you really want to go there with me about pop culture history? That will be a fight you will lose, “hon!” I was alive when Madonna first came on the scene.
I would love to go there with you Dear, someone young like me will own someone like you, who thinks age means knowledge.
“Trying to change the wording to make yourself sound intelligent. You didn’t say bullied teens..you just said teens, and that’s exactly who Madonna’s target audience was when she first came out. I know…I was there. Once she found out her fanbase consisted largely of gay men, she started targeting them as well, much to the expen$e of gays.”
Much at the expense of gays? LOL are you retarded? Not only was Madonna the face of several gay related aids charities at one stage she even started a rumor that SHE had aids to bring to worlds spotlight onto the issue. You see Dear, unlike people like Elton John, who distanced himself from the gay community when we needed him the most due to fear of the aids stigma, Madonna was fighting for us. She is partly responsible for the transition of aspects of the gay community from subculture into mainstream culture. 25 years ago, Madonna was already sending a message of equality for all in her work, including gays, lesbians, bi; she addressed feminism, humanism, Latino immigrants, she did it when the American media turned its back on those issues.
So please, don’t talk to me about it being at OUR expense.
Gaga rode a topical issue to fame and is profiting from it, AND is extremely contrived in her message.
“You’re the one who started with the insults, but now you want to act all shocked and victimized when I throw it right back at you, but do a better job at it.”
Sorry Dear but my insults are because you are stupid, What I don’t do, is make fun of someone for something they can not change, like being gay. What you did is, use an insult that is hate speech. Making fun of someone for being gay is the lowest of the low and you think you do insults better than me? LOL you just picked from the bottom of the barrel, you chose the insult that people use when they get hurt and they want to hurt someone back. Poor thing.
Words like “faggot” are seen and perceived as offensive slurs in the social context we live. No matter what you say about them, your personal interpretation for them does not affect the social meaning they have in this day and age, dear. So own up to it like a man and say you engaged in hate speech like a filthy coward.
That unless you think you have transformed the social meanings of these two words in which case you’re deluded.
“Maybe in your mind, but I have to give you credit. At least you have confidence in your looks. I guess it’s just a face only a mother can love, and even she probably wishes she gave birth to a better looking son.”
Well let’s see a pic of you? Still no? How old are you even?
I doesn’t really matter does it. You say you were alive for the start of Madonna’s career, so a middle aged man reading mundane articles and commenting on them like he cares, oh so much. That speaks volumes about you love. Are you sure you’re not a lonely old gay man?
You certainly act like one.