“I never disputed Madonna’s success. I’m arguing with you over this concept of “queendom.’ Sorry, but no self-respecting music fan is going to go around and call artists “queens” and “princesses.” Leave it to gays like you to call each other that.”
But the concept of Queen My dear, is exactly that. What does the queen of pop mean? It means, THE QUEEN OF POPULAR CULTURE. The paramaters have already been set love, The queen of POP CULTURE. The words POP CULTURE define that. Whatever woman can be YOUR queen, that’s fine. That’s an opinion but an opinion is not LADY GAGA IS THE NEW QUEEN OF POP. Get it?
And Madonna is the Queen of pop not just based on sales Dear, but her effect in pop culture that even you, wouldn’t be able to deny. In several moments in her career she has changed the scope and direction of music.
Not to mention Madonna’s body of work is a reflection of her creativity, Not only has she changed the direction of her musical work in every step she took, but she also took real artistic risks rarely seen in the business.
To give you an example, because you seem to think I rely on sales when I call Madonna the queen of pop, Lets take Michael Jackson – He is named the king of pop due to commercial success. Madonna commercial success is timid compared to Michael’s but It’s rather flabbergasting how Madonna’s incredible artistic endeavors are overlooked, while a boring, dull act like Michael Jackson is praised and referred to as “amazing”. What’s amazing about singing the same music and performing them the same way for 20 years? Madonna, at the peak of her fame and commercial success (with the Blond Ambition) was transitioning into her Erotica Era! That is what’s called a real artistic and creative risk! Madonna has always created different ways of expressing herself while poking the society at the same time.
People mistake their personal taste with reality. Rock With You, Beat it, Thriller, Billie Jean, Bad, Smooth Criminal, Remember the Time, Black or White, You Rock My World… they are all great, but no one can deny they all sound the same (and these are songs from 1979 to 2001). In comparison, Madonna’s delivered Lucky Star, Into the Groove, Papa Don’t Preach, La Isla Bonita, Like a Prayer, Vogue, Erotica, Secret, Ray of Light, Music – you can’t get a catalog richer than that.
So hon, when you compare the “King” with the “Queen” you will see that Madonna is named “Queen” because of her ARTISTIC endeavours above all else. AND THAT HOMOPHOBE IS POP CULTURE.
I’ll even explain it to you AGAIN – The essence of Pop culture: taking a popular imagery, or a popular concept, intervening/changing it into something else – if not the purpose, the execution, if not the execution, the meaning.
And that’s what madonna is. The Queen of POP CULTURE. Understand? She does POP CULTURE BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE.
So please dear Homophobic KC, enough with the comments that suggest I work with commercial success only.
I know you may think Britney and Madonna are the greatest thing on Earth, but there are some of us who treat music as an art form, and not as some spectator sport. Calling someone queen implies they need to be respected, and respect is arbitrary and not something to be thrown around based on someone’s chart success or how much they sell. If Madonna’s music actually had any soul, I might consider calling her queen of something. If you were actually intelligent like you seem to think you are, and could carry an argument like you claim you can, you would not only see that this article is bullshit, but it’s also misogynistic.
In regards to “seeing music as an artform” – see above.
And I DO see this article as bullshit and misogynistic…. ..
“Madonna is the most successful female in MUSIC’S HISTORY. Do you comprehend that fact Homophobic KC?”
Then just leave it at that. Stop throwing around words like queen. She’s not my queen, and you can’t make her anyone else’s either, no matter how many times you want to shove it down someone’s throat.
She is the queen of pop culture as explained above LOL
Excuse me? Do you really want to go there with me about pop culture history? That will be a fight you will lose, “hon!” I was alive when Madonna first came on the scene.
I would love to go there with you Dear, someone young like me will own someone like you, who thinks age means knowledge.
“Trying to change the wording to make yourself sound intelligent. You didn’t say bullied teens..you just said teens, and that’s exactly who Madonna’s target audience was when she first came out. I know…I was there. Once she found out her fanbase consisted largely of gay men, she started targeting them as well, much to the expen$e of gays.”
Much at the expense of gays? LOL are you retarded? Not only was Madonna the face of several gay related aids charities at one stage she even started a rumor that SHE had aids to bring to worlds spotlight onto the issue. You see Dear, unlike people like Elton John, who distanced himself from the gay community when we needed him the most due to fear of the aids stigma, Madonna was fighting for us. She is partly responsible for the transition of aspects of the gay community from subculture into mainstream culture. 25 years ago, Madonna was already sending a message of equality for all in her work, including gays, lesbians, bi; she addressed feminism, humanism, Latino immigrants, she did it when the American media turned its back on those issues.
So please, don’t talk to me about it being at OUR expense.
Gaga rode a topical issue to fame and is profiting from it, AND is extremely contrived in her message.
“You’re the one who started with the insults, but now you want to act all shocked and victimized when I throw it right back at you, but do a better job at it.”
Sorry Dear but my insults are because you are stupid, What I don’t do, is make fun of someone for something they can not change, like being gay. What you did is, use an insult that is hate speech. Making fun of someone for being gay is the lowest of the low and you think you do insults better than me? LOL you just picked from the bottom of the barrel, you chose the insult that people use when they get hurt and they want to hurt someone back. Poor thing.
Words like “faggot” are seen and perceived as offensive slurs in the social context we live. No matter what you say about them, your personal interpretation for them does not affect the social meaning they have in this day and age, dear. So own up to it like a man and say you engaged in hate speech like a filthy coward.
That unless you think you have transformed the social meanings of these two words in which case you’re deluded.
“Maybe in your mind, but I have to give you credit. At least you have confidence in your looks. I guess it’s just a face only a mother can love, and even she probably wishes she gave birth to a better looking son.”
Well let’s see a pic of you? Still no? How old are you even?
I doesn’t really matter does it. You say you were alive for the start of Madonna’s career, so a middle aged man reading mundane articles and commenting on them like he cares, oh so much. That speaks volumes about you love. Are you sure you’re not a lonely old gay man?
You certainly act like one.
Dear Homophobic KC,
“If it’s a fact, prove it. That’s what a fact is, Making up theories that you think sound true aren’t facts, my dear.”
Madonna is the most successful female recording artist of all time – That is fact. According to Billboard and according to every official organisation that holds world records.
The Queen is someone that DOMINATES the industry. That’s the context in which it is used, that’s what the media created and you know what, I don’t need to cite the various articles in the media that confirm that, a retarded ape could understand this concept.
“Ask people across different generations, races, and cultures, and you WILL get different answers. Just because it’s been ingrained in your mind like some trained dog, it doesn’t make “it what it is.” That’s just lazy thinking on your part. There’s no Queen or King of anything, because there’s no damn kingdom. That is what makes it all the more subjective”
Again you are wrong. Madonna is the most successful female in MUSIC’S HISTORY. Do you comprehend that fact Homophobic KC? Barb has more number ones etc, But Madonna holds that record. The most successful female charting artist EVER. And that dominance makes her the queen, It doesn’t matter what you ask people of generations, that’s their opinion but the FACTS support only one person regardless of who and what they have grown up with.
You Moron, Music Business itself IS the “kingdom” “King and Queen” is a term used to describe the most successful, a playful term at that.
“Isn’t that what you’re doing? Commenting on the same article about said artist? Shit..your rants on here outnumber everyone else’s except your new boyfriend Ivan, and that’s probably you under a different username. FYI, Madonna did the same thing back in her early days..marketed herself toward young adults…so exactly what is your point, other than trying to paint me as this uber-fan of someone I only have casually listened to in the past?”
That’s EXACTLY what i’m doing. But I’m not on here pretending that My comments have nothing to do with the articles content, You on the other hand are replying to my comments about it’s content, then pretending you don’t care and pretending your comments have nothing to do with this article. LOL
“Madonna did the same thing back in her early days..marketed herself toward young adults…so exactly what is your point, other than trying to paint me as this uber-fan of someone I only have casually listened to in the past?”
Madonna did not Market herself towards bullied abused pre teens and teens to profit from them Hon. Your limited knowledge of pop culture is astounding considering your constant irrelevant rants about the subject. The Point is, Someone that is labeled the “queen of pop” by her delusional fans, is the driving force behind being labeled that.
“There was a point. You mentioned it was the most tweeted and looked up word, and I also added it was also the misused. It wasn’t even a slam against you nor Madonna, but you’re acting like I punched you in the gut.”
What was the point? LOL bringing up a stat i mentioned to what? Inform us all that’s in incorrectly used? Thats relevant because?????
since you seem to agree with the author’s methods of naming someone Queen..just not the outcome. And by the way, you’re misusing the word “irrelevant” as much as Madonna’s fanboys misuse the word “reductive.”
I’m not at all mis using the world Irrelevant dear. Perhaps you just don’t get it, I mean you can barely keep on topic.
I also don’t agree with the authors methods. Madonna isn’t the most successful female because of sales alone Dear.
Worry about your own family, especially when they have to deal with a hideous-looking gay son like you.
What kind of Pathetic coward insults the way someone looks, when they don’t even offer a pic of themselves.
Now now we have, a pathetic homophobic coward talking hate speech. Keep going on your homophobic rants while insulting the way people look without providing a pic of your own. It just makes me look that much better Hon.
Oh KC, You have got to feel sorry for someone like you.
“Oh, so now you read minds? How lovely! I love how you “forward thinkers” assume everyone else’s mindset when they leave comments.”
No, I don’t read minds you MORON. the REASON you called her angry was because of what she commented. Is your position really, I mean really, that you came on here…. Told her she was angry and that had everything to do with previous stuff and nothing to do with the comment on this page. HA! You would have to be a complete Moron to even suggest such a thing.
“so don’t try to speak for me, fag!”
Love it, you see dear, No one in their right mind would call me unintelligent. No one. You do it as an insult. However, it’s clear that I’m not a dumb person. You on the other hand just showed yourself to be homophobic. “Fag” really? that’s the best you can come up with.
So you know, I’ll continue with my “unintelligent rants” while you, a real enemy of equality go around calling people “fags”
Not only is this article factually incorrect, It now has hate speech. Congrats. I’m not surprised coming from someone with such a warped sense of reality.
So Homophobic KC let’s examine your next dumb comments.
“No, not really. When have I commented about its content? If I gave a shit, I would have shot everything down she said or strongly agreed with it, I did neither. By the way, how did you get on this article? You Googled GaGa just like everyone else did. Seeing that you’re dominating the comment section with your unintelligent rants, it seems like you give way too much of a shit what people think as well as what they think about you. Keep telling yourself, though, you don’t care.”
Hon, You’re replying to my comments about it’s content. Are you mentally Ill? LOL your comments are indeed in regards to this articles content.
Of course I care, I just don’t care what you think about me professionally. Why would I? You’re a looser comments on a story, whose comments apparently have nothing to do with the content. Mine do, everyone else’s comments here have to do with the content, it begs the questions dear… WTF are you doing here? LOL
following Chloe like a stalker?
Well you really should give a shit about the tone of this article considering you are commenting on it, about its content Dear.
Even if it was based on other comments, on this particular occasion, you called her angry for making an accurate statement dear, The REASON you called her angry is because of what she wrote on THIS article which you apparently don’t care about – LOL you certainly care enough to call someone angry that’s for sure.
Perhaps I should mind my own business…. Hon, perhaps you should take your own advice, are you minding your own business when you manage to get the impression that Chloe is angry on other posts? HMM? Or do you get that impression because you read her things and comment… OH, i see what you’re saying – I should mind MY own business on a public post but YOU have free reign to form impressions of people’s moods (LOL) based on their comments that you comment on, all the while maintaining your own business. HA!
Guess what you Moronic excuse for a human, It’s NOT subjective.
I also, really couldn’t care less what you think about me personally. Everything you have been saying is BS! lol
“Poor Chris. Did I hit a nerve?”
Is your limited mind unable to tell the difference between zeal and being offended? LOL
“First of, who are you supposed to be that you think you can tell me that I can’t change or define what society defines as “Queen Of Pop?” Furthermore, what imaginary society do you live in, other than the one in your head, where people go around calling music artists Queens or Kings of Pop? I don’t use the term, my friends don’t use it. Neither do my neighbors, co-workers, or family members”
I dont need to be anybody, much less an authority Hon, I am simply stating a fact, society based on the media has defined what connotations surround the queen of pop, not you, not me not anyone. It is what it is. I also hate to break this to you but there’s one name that comes to mind when someone says the king of pop and the queen of pop, no one here is debating that it’s a term that is not used in every day life my dear, again with the irrelevant comments, do you think those irrelevant comments make you seem credible? LOL
I guess though I live in the same imaginary world where an adult is not embarrassed about being a fan of lady gaga.
“I don’t use it because it sounds like what someone in junior high school would use, which explains your frame of mind right now.. Here’s a little sociology lesson: Society doesn’t define and neither did they invent who is the Queen Of Pop, you idiot. Those are media created terms, and they have a word for people who sit back and let the media dictate and define things for them: SHEEP! Sales and chart success never dictated for me either the kind of music I listen to. The only thing irrelevant in this argument is your own.”
You don’t use it, yet you comment on an article about an artist who markets herself towards pre teens and teens. How pathetic can you possibly be, play the maturity card all the while defending, so to speak a childs artist. Boy, I hope you got a spot on gaga’s psycho bus.
“:’ NONE OF IT matters in the grand scheme of things. That’s the fucking point you didn’t get in my response to you. If I want to call Stevie Nicks, Kate Bush, Siouxsie Sioux, or Florence Welch my queens, since they get more airplay from me than Lady GaGa and Madonna combined. I DO have every right to do that, and I’m not going to let some little idiot tell me different.”
None of it matters, and to prove it, you comment back with your paragraphs and paragraphs of irrelevant comments. But to address that Hon, Not everything is so trivial and mundane, a drug addicted pathological liar does not get to be called “the queen of pop” when offical numbers and stats say otherwise, It just doesn’t happen unless you are an uneducated, misinformed teenager or an adult fan (like you) whom should be embarrassed at your music taste.
You do have every right to say whatever artist you want is “your queen” that’s an opinion. But let me tell you what is not an opinion “LADY GAGA IS THE NEW QUEEN OF POP” that is a statement like it’s a universal truth.
“If you’re going to question my intelligence, at least learn to read. Perhaps you didn’t understand because you just didn’t get it. I never said Madonna used it incorrectly. I said it was the most misused word since she uttered it, and I see it equally misused by Madonna Stans as I do the fans of the person to which the word was directed. And frankly, my dear, it’s not that big or obscure of a word, but congratulations on thinking you enhanced your rather sophomoric vocabulary.”
Again, this has nothing to do with anything. The point i was making in-case you missed it sweetie was that you referenced that fact i stated, why? there was no point in referencing that because Madonna did not use it incorrectly. GET IT?
In the end, you can mention all the irrelevant points you want but you cant change the fact that this article is not subjective, this article does not say that the queen can be anyone you want, this article says “lady gaga is the new queen of pop” and it’s based on incorrect facts. That’s the point. You’re defending this article, that stands for the opposite of what you’re fight me about.
You hon, are a ridiculous excuse for a person. I’m embarrassed for your family.
No la noticia dice que Madonna sigue siendo la reina del pop. Este sitio web no es noticia, es una página web de chismes. Las cosas que he dicho son de organismos oficiales. El autor de este artículo es incorrecto en sus hechos, este artículo es su opinión. Esto no es noticia.
I’m pretty sure by “invented” he means paved the way.
After all, Lady gaga IS walking the very path Madonna paved.
Angry? since when was making an accurate statement being Angry?
Poor KC, trying to convince himself and everyone else that the “queen of pop” is a subjective matter based on an opinion despite the fact the tone of this article ranks the “queen of pop” based on statics, and the stats aren’t even accurate! LOL
The inclination you people have to make lady gaga the queen of something wreaks of desperation.
You have to bring something new to the table to revolutionize something.
The essence of Pop: taking a popular imagery, or a popular concept, intervening/changing it into something else – if not the purpose, the execution, if not the execution, the meaning. Lady Gaga does not do that.
Lady Gaga takes the imagery and the sound, and she copies all of it with no new purpose, no new concept, no new meaning.
Does Lady Gaga try to represent anything different from what Madonna represents? No.
From head to toe, from the essence to the performance itself, Lady Gaga is a cheap imitation of a true cultural icon.
What kind of Moron are you?
I write professionally, just like the person that wrote this. Although I would be embarrassed to submit this piece to editing because it’s incorrect in it’s factual statements.
My info my dear is not made up. Those are OFFICIAL numbers.
Deal with it Dah-ling.
LOL – 30 million. Can you give me the official source to that please? OH WAIT. YOU CAN’T.
You dumb monsters count gaga’s tweets as sources.
The same woman that tweets that she performs to 50,000 when it’s really (as reported to billboard) 38,000.
The same woman that lies about receiving an email from Madonna.
The same woman that lies about not wearing fur.
Poor things.
Maybe on planet dumb c**t Monster.
Sorry to inform you, but lady gaga is not number one in any aspect of the music Industry. – That’s the woman you call queen – LOL #monsterlogic
“LOL @ all the old Madonna fans”
HAHAHAHAHA REALLY?
Correct me If i am wrong, but isn’t lady gaga undergoing surgery because of JOINT problems – Talk about OLD LADY problems. You poor thing, you’re not in any position to talk to anyone about being old when your idol can’t even take the half assed dance moves she attempts. But hey, at least you can be secure in the knowledge that gaga did something before Madonna – Hip surgery.
“Meaning this is the digital era” – If you could categorize it, into the “digital” era love, it would be another artist such as Katy, Taylor swift or Adele, after all.. all of those women are more successful on the digital charts and the ACTUAL charts.
“If madonna or gaga were singing live together” – You would see just how AVERAGE both their voices are. Both Madonna and gaga have average vocal range. The difference is Madonna has the stability to sing and dance at the same time. Gaga sounds like a dog in pain when she does both, those pre recorded vocals she sings “over” (LOL – UNDER) are there for a reason.
“No modern singer can match her success” – Adele with one album has sold more than lady gaga’s entire discography. Katy Perry has more hits, and Taylor swift sold more album with “red” in it’s first week than any one male or female for ten years. RED was the REAL album of the decade.
Sorry to inform you of those facts, I imagine your face to be uncontrollably twitching.
Awww Poor thing. Your existence must be ever so sad. Billboard confirmed all were sold out yes.
Did your tiny brain ever comprehend how they got to that numbers. I’ll give u an example so you understand.
The official deal was “buy one get one free” – that was the deal through the official ticket seller, so everyone that purchased a ticket got A FREE ONE. So tell me dear, How is it possible to “SELL” 100 percent of the capacity. WHERE ARE ALL THE FREE TICKET HOLDERS? hmmm.
Billboard counted FREE tickets.
But here’s another stat for you. Because of her “HIP” operation. Billboard reported 200,000 refunds.
LOL
20,000 REFUNDS! with 20 shows left! at 15,000 people per show on average = 300,000 tickets.
Billboard are so stupid, they accidently revealed that she did not sell roughly 100,000 tickets in a story that was PRO gaga, like this joke of an article.
Oh you Poor thing KC.
Here’s a concept: You don’t get to invent or change the definitions our society has already placed on what it means to be the “queen of pop” In fact, this article is written in the exact opposite context to what you are describing, It’s written in the style that the queen of pop is based around statistical achievements, You my dear don’t get to change the social context that those words have. – Too bad.
And again I’m sorry to be the one that informs you of this fact but the “queen of pop” when referring to Madonna isn’t and has never been a term used loosely by fan boys. She is quite simply the most successful female in music history and those are the type of connotations associated with the queen.
“Don’t forget, also the most misused. word.”
Dear KC, I don’t understand your point? Are you trying to sound like you know what you’re talking about? Trying to sound smart? That entire sentence was irrelevant. Madonna didn’t use it incorrectly, the fact that other people do and it became a part of their uneducated vocabulary only proves my point further.
But you know what the Irony of this is, the people that use “reductive” incorrectly are often lil Monsters. That’s right: Little monsters use the vocabulary Madonna taught them incorrectly to try and insult her. – LOL can you get a DUMBER fan base.
This article is embarrassing. This is not Journalism. When did reporting “facts” and events become a sad tool for a way to express your own personal likes and dislikes over public figures?
Try focusing on facts when writing a professional article, The FACTS are Madonna is the most successful female artist of all time. Lady gaga is not number 1 in ANY aspect of the music business. Not touring, Not recording, not hit making.
DEAL.
Dear Kira “moronic” Coplin.
You have got to be a complete Moron to suggest Lady gaga is the new Queen of pop.
She is not number one in Any aspect of the music business. how can she be the Queeen if she’s not on the top of any aspect of the music business?
Gaga is not on the top of the touring business (Madonna is, right now, as we speak).
Gaga is not on the top of the recording business (Adele is).
Gaga is not on the top of hit-making lists (Rihanna, Katy Perry, Taylor Swift are).
If Lady Gaga were the Queen of Pop, there wouldn’t be so much debate and arguing over it. When Madonna was coined the Queen of Pop, there was no arguing over the title:
She had the hits, she had classics, she had the power, she had control over her career, she had the artistic vision, she had the humanist vision, and she realized all that in her music, videos and stage performances.
And guess what? Madonna still has the power:
She says the word “reductive” and it trends not only on twitter worldwide, as it becomes to most looked up and googled word on online dictionaries across the planet on that week.
She gets out of her house and she causes a frenzy (whether she’s wearing a stage outfit or a simple tracksuit).
She announces the name of her album (M.D.N.A.), it becomes headline news all over the globe.
She announces a new tour, it sells out in minutes.
Whatever she does causes debates.
It’s happened since 1983. It is happening NOW.
Her recent appearances on TV (Nightline, Good Morning America and 20/20) gave those shows the highest ratings they had in a long time.
In the UK, her appearance on the Graham Norton Show pulled in an extra 1 million viewers (they had 4.3 million on the Madonna episode, they usually pull in 3 million viewers).
That’s the power Madonna has over the media – no payola, no excessive advertisement, no twitter account. She simply shows up, and the world follows.
Lady Ga Ga, on the other hand, is only coined the Queen of Pop by her delusional fans or stupid, ignorant, misinformed teenagers.
When Rolling Stone magazine decided to crown Lady Ga Ga “the queen of pop” (lying about her being chosen by the public), they had to retract and explain that Madonna was voted the Queen of Pop by a landslide.
No one with half a working brain, or a little common sense would ever take the crown off of Madonna’s head.
Most important of all: Madonna was crowned “the Queen of Pop” by her accomplishments. It was the world who crowned her “Queen of Pop”. It wasn’t Madonna who pushed it. It wasn’t her record label who tried to shove down our throats that title. The world media, reflecting the world’s response to every Madonna’s move, crowned her the Queen of Pop.
On the other hand, only those ignorant misinformed teenagers, the littlecuntsmonsters, believe Gaga is the Queen of Pop (despite the fact that she is far less successful than katy Perry or Rihanna in the pop music charts). The fact that a member of the Haus of Caca, or that pig Perez Hilton (Gag’s BFF) say she is the queen, doesn’t make it a fact. That’s why the world fights back gaga’s delusions of grandeur. That’s why the world remains obsessed with Madonna. We can’t digest the notion of a cheap, drugged out version of Madonna as the queen of music. It just won’t happen. That’s why there is so much resistance to that absurd idea coming from every direction. Madonna is the queen forever. When she dies, she will always be remembered as The Queen of Pop.
